Confederate States of America (vernacular) – Historic


This ranks as one of the worst bad flags in existence. The nation it represented thankfully subsided into the sands of time more than 140 years ago.  And yet is seen all over the United States. The design of the flag is not particular offensive, though it is quite derivative. The true badness of this flag comes in its symbolism.

The Confederate States of America (CSA) broke away from the United States in 1861 to preserve the practice of slavery, among other things. Though the CSA had several official flags in its short and wretched existence, the “stars and bars” was never one of them. It was derived in the 20th century from the Confederate Naval Ensign. Still, this flag represents the oppression of slavery nonetheless. Those who fly it are espousing the Confederate values of racial hatred. 

Furthermore, the South lost the Civil War and had to give up the abhorent institution of slavery, though some still tried to prevent African Americans from voting and being a part of political society until 100 years later. It baffles me that people choose to fly it as a symbol of pride. It is a symbol of shame.  

Flag of Mississippi
Flag of Mississippi

This insidious symbol has found its way into many modern flags, including the state flag of Mississippi. It was only removed from the flag of Georgia in 2003. It is flown at the South Carolina state capitol as a symbol of Southern “heritage.” Racism and intimidation is more like it.

This flag should be offensive to every person who values freedom.
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19 responses to “Confederate States of America (vernacular) – Historic

  1. I do not support racist slavery one bit, but if the Union wasn’t so greedy, the Confederate States of America could have eliminated slavery on their own. The CSA did have all freedoms that we have today, except certain voting freedoms for African-Americans. This flag design is the best in American history, for a myriad of reasons.

  2. The CSA kept African Americans from doing a lot more than voting. Regardless of the design merits of this flag, it is a symbol of hate and therefore a badflag.

  3. Huntsylvania:
    The independent Commonwealth of Huntsylvania is located within Northeastern Pennsylvania, United States. The Capital District is the capital of the entire commonwealth. Its government consists of two governors: Joseph (of East Wilderness, Huntsylvania) and Justin Hunter (of West Wilderness, Huntsylvania). Richland is the state capital of East Wilderness and La Ramage is the state capital of West Wilderness.

  4. It is not a symbol of hate; but it is bad. Why? Way. Too. Many. Starzzzz!!!

  5. Its the most popular flag at county fairs and festivals, sells great until someone interjects their political beliefs , and tries to enforce censorship. The fact is is that Black Confederate Prisoners were taken by train to Illinois where they wee lined up and executed by the Union Forces, and over one hundred years later this Worst case of genocide on American soil is covered up with no monument to those who died. And if one is ever built it should be this flag flying over it.

  6. I, too, despise all this flag stands for, including the “southern” “way of life”. Sorry, y’all. Thing is, I think this is an absolutely _smashing_ flag in and of itself. Isn’t that what is so delicious about flags? They are so compelling as graphics, but at the end of the day [2 drinks and the clichés kick in :(] they are all about states or state-like entities.

  7. I always wondered why this flag was seen as offensive. I agree it is a shame – I like the design. It’s nice, simple (apart from maybe a few too many stars) and balanced.

  8. Minor quibble. It’s not helpful to refer to the above as the “Stars & Bars”. The S&B is most accurately the first official confederate flag with three horizontal bars/stripes and a blue area in the upper-left with a circle of stars. The above is the Confederate “Battle Flag” or “Navy Jack”. Or just calling it “The Confederate Flag” conveys sufficient meaning.

  9. People, it was a freaking battle flag. This flag was never the flag of the CSA. Futhermore, the entire reason for the war between the states was state vs. federal rights. If you want to get all political over it, here are two basic facts:

    1) Irish & other immigrants working in northern factories were treated far worse than slaves.

    2) Lincoln brought slavery into the war purely to keep England (who had recently abolished the practice) from aiding the CSA. There was still slavery in the border states of the union, by the way. The Emancipation Proclaimation freed none of them. It only applied to those states that were members of the CSA. So your almightly Lincoln allowed slavery to go on in the north. And he also stated that if he could rejoin the union by freeing the slaves, he would do it, but he would also do it if it freed no slaves.

    So basically, it’s a freaking battleflag, and it represents states rights, not slavery. Plus, it is part of the heritage of the USA, like it or not.

  10. I choose not to like it. I also hate sweet tea.

  11. May I suggest the Lost Causers posting here something?

    Leave the Irish out of it.

    Say what you say about the Northern working conditions was true. It’s still not a bad as being a slave. Mainly, because at the end of the day those Irish people did have the possibility to leave (settle the West, like many did), start their own businesses, basically all the advantages of a free man …

    … while at the end of the day, if you were a slave in the South, you were a slave, most likely, for the rest of your life. And if you ever tried to leave that life, it was a punishable crime.

    I’d have a response for Point #2 as well, but friggin’ whole libraries have been written to debate that, so I’m guessing you wouldn’t really listen.

  12. @V:

    ……you’re really comparing (and understating, at that) the treatment of immigrants with free will (which was horrific, I’m not denying) to the institution of slavery?

    ……Really?

    (I know I’m a year late with this reply, but Jesus.)

  13. It’s a nice flag, albeit it’s symbolism. It’s also a battle ensign. The real flag (3rd National) is HORRIBLE. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Confederate_National_Flag_since_Mar_4_1865.svg

  14. Leave the Irish Out of It, I dont want to rain on your parade buddy, but the longest battle of the American civil war was the anti draft rioting in NY city, apparently you figured out your position without ever cracking a book, Lincoln in fact Put the head of the Irish Republican army in charge of all union Irish forces. Irish Immigrants were met at the dock with a enlistment form and a uniform to serve rich northerners who were to lazy and chicken to go to war. The south fought against the nations first federal income tax, Get it, prior to Lincoln there never was a federal income tax. I’d say that was worth fighting against. The south fought against the first draft, gte it Washington in the darkest hour didnt have to draft, but Lincoln the do gooder suffering from an advanced case of ackromegaly didnt care.
    The fact is is that Irish soliders played a key part in the civil war on both sides, it is almost impossible to diuscuss a major eastern battle without mentioning them.

  15. Once again censorship raises its ugly head when confronted with facts.

  16. This author of the Confederate States of America does not speak of this flag accurately and needs a history lesson instead of what he/she heard.

    • ^This commenter is a person who believes the Confederate States of America is worth defending 150 years after the Civil War began.

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